Yakkity yak, don’t talk back.
30 Oct
It’s rare that anyone confuses me with a conservative. I’m socially as liberal as they come (though I still think polygamy is wrong in a fundamental way because of the power imbalances inherent therein), I believe is some sort of mixed socialist health care system, and I think corporations need to pay more taxes. But Saturday night I pretty much got painted a Republican, and boy oh boy did it sting.
After the awesome Halloween party Dina and I attended, Dina and I stopped by my new neighbor’s housewarming shindig. They’re the young couple from Yale who took Mrar and Schlag’s place downstairs–nice folk, young and just starting out. Things were still going at 1AM, so we thought we’d stop in, say hello, chat for a few minutes, and then be out. Three hours we finally left, but not after enduing the wrath of four pissed off socialists.
Here’s what NOT to do when you have your neighbors over to your house: inquire about their past work, then insult their former employer by insinuating that the money donated from his vast software fortune is really just going to finance the pharmaceutical cartels. And please, don’t get your facts wrong by saying ridiculous things like “he only gives away a penny for every dollar he earns.” Also, learn a little about finance, basics facts such as what “liquid assets” are and how that relates to the stock market, and what regulations not-for-profits must abide by to keep their tax status.
Apparently I’m a capitalist pig because I believe the following “lies”:
Dina is a capitalist pig for the following reasons:
People, educate yourselves with the “facts”:
It’s almost enough for me to consider taking a second look at the Grand Old Party.
24 Responses for "Halloween Pt. 2: Die Capitalist Pigs"
GRrraRRARGGGHHH
I’m still mad.
I learned some things about myself: I’m a capitalist, I love having private property, I don’t want to share everything with strangers, I want to make more money as time goes on, lefty zealots are as crazy as righty, I like making my own decisions about the way I spend my money, I will never waste my time with socialists again.
Commies!
I think there are some legit critiques of Bill Gates and Microsoft, but damn, that gaggle of ignorant asses went wayyyy over the line. I’m really sorry you had to deal with that bullplop.
Guess what, you sheltered little Yalies… The Soviet Union sucked. Hard. Just because the U.S. has some serious problems doesn’t make the old USSR, Cuba or China idyllic utopias.. The US could use a big ol’ booster shot of Social Democracy in my opinion, but the most important part of that is the “Democracy” factor, which Communist nations utterly lack(ed).
Sometimes I really can’t stand other lefties, and I know that a lot of them would hate my Target-shopping, NFL-watching, red meat-eating ass…
Oy – I feel like I was there… probably because these are statements I’ve heard so many times (the critiques of BMGF). It makes me tired. “He does it for the tax breaks” etc… To be honest, I’ve got enough socialist in me (or enough skepticism) that if I had not “been there” I would maybe be one of the doubters, too. I think we just had the opportunity to hear the stories and see the reality of the impact created by the money that has been given.
People have a hard time stepping outside of their direct lived experiences. We saw BMGF money in action so we know that it has positive impact and that there is a genuine desire to do something good with that money. I also think that there are some of us who have had the experience of not always being “middle class” — of knowing about having to make choices about the military or student loan debt. Again, I think people can intellectually try to understand that, but… And I think people can read lots of books and articles about what it was like to live in the Soviet Union… but they don’t know in the way that Dina does. I guess what I’m trying to say is that people are limited by their experiences. And while your neighbors had the opportunity to go to Yale and have probably traveled a bunch and are well-intentioned, etc… they have not had your experiences.
There’s always going to be this tension between capitalism and being socially thoughtful. I know I feel it. I spend a ridiculous amount of money on a pair of shoes and then go volunteer at a shelter for people who are experiencing homelessness. The small-town rummage sale kid in me LOVES fancy shoes but the small-town rummage sale kid in me knows how silly I am, too. Is it a productive tension? I’m not sure.
You’re being too nice, Hough. Maybe his neighbors are just dickheads.
You’ll find no one more critical of “Capitalism Gone Wild” than I am, but anyone who honestly believes that the Soviet Union and China were/are utopian paradises needs to have their head examined. Try Googling “gulag,” you stupid little shits. Try “Cultural Revolution.” Try pulling your heads out of your asses.
Do you have any idea how much college it takes to become that stupid? I wonder how much their mommies and daddies are in hock for.
Your neighbors remind me of the kid they filmed during the WTO protests, smashing the windows of Niketown while wearing Nikes. They’re as humorless and bereft of irony or perspective as any fundamentalist dingbat. The college degrees, in this case, serve the exact same purpose as the uninformed, literal interpretation of the Bible does for fundies: ie, to turn them into insufferable assholes with an entirely unwarranted superiority complex.
Unfortunately, this city seems to attract such folk in droves. (Or perhaps I just need to get the hell away from Capitol Hill.)
Its a lot of dough that BMGF gets to spend on whatever they like. Tax free. No oversight by directors accountable to the public. That money could be flowing into the general revenue (to finance education, Iraq, health care, etc.) or toward other more or less nefarious uses. On balance, we’re lucky they choose the issues they do. If they spent their fortune like the Heritage Foundation the world would be much scarier. (And that’s not just halloween spookery!)
Although I recognize that I’m working within the parameters of current tax law, not the fantastic bounty of socialism. I didn’t think the hardcore were defending China and Russia these days. What a bunch of pansy leftist de-evolutionaries. The trick is how to get from where we are to sharing and equitable prosperity. And I’d say BMGF philanthropy (fueled by Microsoft profits) is alot closer to that vision than Halliburton, Exxon, General Electric.
Sigh.
Everyone pretty much said it already. Weird how difficult it can be, being, you know, reasonable.
Wow, we didn’t have nearly the heated conversations when I lived below you…sure, we hashed out politics, the cat, and my parking skills but I sort of forgot to accuse you of being the crazy conservative you really are!
When I’m a multibillionaire I’m giving away nothing, ungrateful wretches.
I’d be interested to know the percentage they tithe or donate.
So KB, any chance that, before the conversation turned ugly, you might’ve, ahem, given them the address to this website? Har har har…
Look at this cool Soviet Era stuff: http://englishrussia.com/?p=386
Ahh, I remember…
Also, some photos: http://englishrussia.com/?p=308
So happy everyone looks.
Nothing but B&W; whole life B&W!
This be a good website: http://englishrussia.com/
I seem to have lost ability to speak pretty English
Dina, I like the Pepperidge Farms chocolately chunky cookies too.
Yikes. Good thing I didn’t end up at a party like that. If they thought you two were capitalist pigs, then they probably would have stoned me. I consider myself fairly liberal but I’m thinking that my military time (almost a decade) and my few years working for the man that runs the home improvement monster known by some as the “big orange box”…maybe not a lot of common ground there. Although, hmm, I did get an engineering degree fully paid for by joining the military (by choice, not need). That seemed to be an odd yet popular topic. I’m sure I could have given them some deep felt, first hand perspectives on all of that…or at least I could have taken the blunt of the attack for you guys.
I’m curious what sort of degrees they have from Yale and what jobs they have or will have in order to afford living in Seattle.
Oh, and by the way, I didn’t even work for BMGF but I met enough of you and heard enough stories that I wished I had worked there.
So what you’re telling me is that these two Yale grads made it through school without loans and without military debt. So really they are just upper class dickwads who don’t know what the fuck they are talking about.
And the BMGF thing, I’m so tired of defending it. I mean anyone can get a tax break by just randomly donating in bulk. There is a lot of work, research, thought, etc going into how this money will be granted. There are easier ways, but I admit after hearing Bill talk to us about how he decided to get into philanthropy, I completely respect and buy everything he said. And I don’t care if people think I’m a blind ignorant lemming. Things aren’t black and white and we can only hope for great work to come from powerful people, even if they run big supposedly evil empires to balance out the good and evil.
I still love me some Jimmy Carter. I wonder what they’d say about that now that they’ve upset our idea of what is liberal.
I wish I had. Would be sweet to continue the debate.
You wish you had worked there? Capitalist scum! The proletariat will rise up against you.
The two people me are pretty nice — it was their friends who were the jerky jerks. Admittedly, once I got going I got going, but they started it!
Ah, it’s the friends of the Yalies who were trouble. It’s always the friends of the Yalies (looks at D M, A Ho.).
Seriously, it’s not that I want to defend my alma mater (it’s produced enough mistakes, thank you), but it was hard to conceive of anybody going through Yale (or, for that matter, college) and being that dogmatic and idiotic–not to mention, rude.
Self-proclaimed American “socialists” are a bunch of intellectual cowards, anyway. If any of these idiots had the courage of their convictions, they would actually go live in the “worker’s paradise” they’re constantly yammering about. You notice they’re not exactly rushing for the exits.
You have a red meat-eating ass? Sounds painful.
Yeah. Well, Dubya went to Yale, too . . . smiley winky face
The Yale folk: one went to bed early, the other chimed in to back the other socialists. The most virulent, though, was the kid who went into Army and is now a socialist. I have no idea where he went to school . . . He was seriously angry — red in the face and yelling.
The Yalies, though, there were OK.
You must see that it’s easy to want to criticize though who come from privilege (even if they got loans and worked their way through Yale).
Hmm, come to think of it…now that I’m back on the job market…are they still doing cool stuff? Think they’re hiring for anything??
Oh, I know…I take Yalies to task myself on a frequent enough basis. I just happen to be one.*
-Fuz
*Grad school…worked my way through. In the position to criticize privilege, to an extent.
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